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Hooray! Mayo has caught up on all manga chapters lol. It only took me about 2 days to read through. Thought I'd start back from about chpt 365 just to remind me of what happens back then.

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If, and when they finally kill Aizen - do you think Kubo-sama will still continue Bleach??

I'm kind of sick of Aizen at the moment, even if he is pretty cool and god-like with his new fancy powers, but it feels like its been drawn out for far too long. I'd like the story to continue after Aizen is dead but of course its up to Kubo-sama to decide.

On another note, where is Grimmjow?! He should have recovered by now being an Espada and all! And Nel? And lol at Zaraki/Byakuya vs Yammy. I can't wait to see what happens next in that fight! I lol'd at Zaraki after he first gets hit by Yammy

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I'm not sure about that one. I know the idea of Hell has never been really explored; it would be awesome if something happened with that area. You gotta imagine there's a lot of nasty things stuck in Hell that would have a field day if they escaped.

Aizen. There are not enough words to explain how much Aizen PISSES ME OFF. I never liked him to begin with; for reasons I can't fully explain, I never liked him as the villain. This whole thing with him merging with the Hogyoku was okay at the beginning, but the chrysalis thing got weird and I just want to stab him in the face now. I'd be thrilled if Gin did something to betray Aizen and became the villain. I can follow behind Gin.

I'm also tired of Ichigo and all the, to use the phrase my friends and I use, asspull powerups he gets. I was hoping that Isshin would be the one to serious take Aizen out because Isshin is badass. Now he's wasting all his power to let Ichigo get his ass kicked by Hichigo and young!Zangetsu. ...Yeah, I know it's pointless to be annoyed at the main hero. I've never liked the main heroes, lol.

[Also, I am convinced because of Ichigo and Aizen, all huge powerups are required by Kubo law to come with a mullet.]

I heard that one arc was supposed to have ended in June and the next would be longer than the previous. This makes me scratch my head at the implications. How long was the previous arc? When did it start/has it really ended? Was everything from Ichigo and company entering Hueco Mundo to the beginning of Deicide one single arc? If it is, I'm not sure how to take that. That was over two years of material and if we're stuck with two more years of Aizen, I think I'd kill someone.

I was just wondering about Grimmjow and Nel and others today, when I was talking to my friend about the spoilers I read. I couldn't even begin to guess about Grimmjow and I am kinda curious. I know there were doodles in between chapters of Volume 39 that had Zaraki discovering Nel, so maybe she's with Yachiru building sandcastles or something.  

That links me neatly to the next question: the Zaraki and Byakuya team up against Yammy. Needless to say, I thought that was awesome as hell. I couldn't help but fangirl at the ninja!Zaraki when he was standing on Yammy's arm. (That might still be my signature, I'll have to check once I post this. [Yeah, it is.]) Yeah, only Zaraki would get thrown into a building and tell the "insect piece of sh/t" to try harder. I'm impatiently waiting for Kubo to go back to HM. That's so much more interesting than Aizen.

Also, if Kubo gets over his fear of killing the good guys and starts with Zaraki, I'll drop Bleach. For real. I'd go to it after it ends to see how it ends, but I'd be so furious. [Like being annoyed at the hero, I know this is a pretty juvenile reason to stop reading, but the thought of Zaraki kicking ass is what keeps me reading. I love Bleach, but it is so damn slow sometimes and Kubo has a weird way of pacing and planning, in that he has very little of both, it seems.]

Ok, a lot to read. Hopefully it's coherent.

*EDIT* Added a few things. Additions are in brackets.

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Yay to catching up! Now comes Lanta answering those questions in a way that will probably end up being rambling/ire with the hope of maybe making sense.

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I'm not sure about that one. I know the idea of Hell has never been really explored; it would be awesome if something happened with that area. You gotta imagine there's a lot of nasty things stuck in Hell that would have a field day if they escaped.

I think if they brought out another bad guy to focus on then I'd be happy so long as its not another Aizen-type character where they dribble on and on about nothing to make themselves sound like a genius... even if he is a genius...

Aizen. There are not enough words to explain how much Aizen PISSES ME OFF. I never liked him to begin with; for reasons I can't fully explain, I never liked him as the villain. This whole thing with him merging with the Hogyoku was okay at the beginning, but the chrysalis thing got weird and I just want to stab him in the face now. I'd be thrilled if Gin did something to betray Aizen and became the villain. I can follow behind Gin.

I could live with Gin being the new enemy. He feels more like a villain than Aizen does. He's sneaky and devious rather than being a smartass. On reading all the dialogue that Aizen has during his crysalis period (and before and after that), I felt like one of the characters should just interject and say "Bored now! Can we get on with this?!" I suppose its meant to give us the impression that Aizen is a genius who likes the sound of his own voice hence he just goes on and on, but it was getting rather tiring after a few chapters. I did lol when Aizen asked Gin what he was about to do to Ichigo and he pauses before saying "Nothin'", even though he was clearly about to kill him! Devious Gin... that's a true villain!

I'm also tired of Ichigo and all the, to use the phrase my friends and I use, asspull powerups he gets. I was hoping that Isshin would be the one to serious take Aizen out because Isshin is badass. Now he's wasting all his power to let Ichigo get his ass kicked by Hichigo and young!Zangetsu. ...Yeah, I know it's pointless to be annoyed at the main hero. I've never liked the main heroes, lol.

I guess I'm going to disagree with you here. I don't really look at the power-up part of Ichigo that he goes through on a regular basis, rather I look more at his development as a character. Its the same with Naruto, most people aren't all that fond of the character but his development over the course of the manga is something that I liked to see. Its more about how he affects those around him and vice versa. He learns quickly but still has a strong focus. In his upcoming battle with Aizen, however, unless he brings out something that will take Aizen by surprise I doubt any big power-up move he'll learn will do much for him except draw out the battle even longer.

And I was so effing glad when Isshin finally appeared! Took friggin long enough! I mean why mention it so long ago and then he never appear in his shinigami/captain form! I haven't seen anything about his background as a shinigami/captain so hopefully that will appear later?

[Also, I am convinced because of Ichigo and Aizen, all huge powerups are required by Kubo law to come with a mullet.]

bwahaha! Yeah what was with that hair style? Kubo did say he thought of Bleach as a rock story so I'm guessing he's a fan of 70's rock?!?

I heard that one arc was supposed to have ended in June and the next would be longer than the previous. This makes me scratch my head at the implications. How long was the previous arc? When did it start/has it really ended? Was everything from Ichigo and company entering Hueco Mundo to the beginning of Deicide one single arc? If it is, I'm not sure how to take that. That was over two years of material and if we're stuck with two more years of Aizen, I think I'd kill someone.

Oh lord no, I don't think I could handle another two years of Aizen either. Hopefully its going to end sooner rather than later.. but still continue after Aizen's gone right!

I was just wondering about Grimmjow and Nel and others today, when I was talking to my friend about the spoilers I read. I couldn't even begin to guess about Grimmjow and I am kinda curious. I know there were doodles in between chapters of Volume 39 that had Zaraki discovering Nel, so maybe she's with Yachiru building sandcastles or something. 

I'd like Grimmjow to reappear and kick Aizen's ass, though its unlikely. He's either going to appear and support Ichigo, or he's going to reappear and restart his fight with Ichigo. Either way he needs to return! Of course I'd like Ulquiorra to return but that ain't gonna happen...

That links me neatly to the next question: the Zaraki and Byakuya team up against Yammy. Needless to say, I thought that was awesome as hell. I couldn't help but fangirl at the ninja!Zaraki when he was standing on Yammy's arm. (That might still be my signature, I'll have to check once I post this. [Yeah, it is.]) Yeah, only Zaraki would get thrown into a building and tell the "insect piece of sh/t" to try harder. I'm impatiently waiting for Kubo to go back to HM. That's so much more interesting than Aizen.

lol and when he cuts off his fingers after Yammy tries to smush Z/B into the ground. I loved it when the two of them are busy arguing about who should give the death blow and they start to fight but punch Yammy because he's in the way lol. God how much bigger is Yammy going to get anyway?! Doesn't really matter because neither Z or B have released their full power yet!

Also, if Kubo gets over his fear of killing the good guys and starts with Zaraki, I'll drop Bleach. For real. I'd go to it after it ends to see how it ends, but I'd be so furious. [Like being annoyed at the hero, I know this is a pretty juvenile reason to stop reading, but the thought of Zaraki kicking ass is what keeps me reading. I love Bleach, but it is so damn slow sometimes and Kubo has a weird way of pacing and planning, in that he has very little of both, it seems.]

I'd probably still read on. I think its actually too cliche these days to kill off a main good guy just to give a bit more drama to the series. Though is Yammamoto really dead? Nothing to indicate he didn't die but if he's not I'd say he'd take a while to recover from those injuries!

On another note, I actually have to say I felt sorry for Starrk/Lilynette. They were a bit of an odd couple even if they originally were one Hollow, but they were pretty much used and abused by Aizen just because they were powerful and although Starrk was lazy, he wasn't really interested in fighting he just didn't want to be alone. awwww... As for the other Espada (with the exception of Grimmmjow and Ulquiorra) I didn't think that much of them so was kind of glad when they were killed off - though at least Nnoitra was able to give Zaraki a bit of fun during their fight

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(((I'm also tired of Ichigo and all the, to use the phrase my friends and I use, asspull powerups he gets. I was hoping that Isshin would be the one to serious take Aizen out because Isshin is badass. Now he's wasting all his power to let Ichigo get his ass kicked by Hichigo and young!Zangetsu. ...Yeah, I know it's pointless to be annoyed at the main hero. I've never liked the main heroes, lol.

I guess I'm going to disagree with you here. I don't really look at the power-up part of Ichigo that he goes through on a regular basis, rather I look more at his development as a character. Its the same with Naruto, most people aren't all that fond of the character but his development over the course of the manga is something that I liked to see. Its more about how he affects those around him and vice versa. He learns quickly but still has a strong focus. In his upcoming battle with Aizen, however, unless he brings out something that will take Aizen by surprise I doubt any big power-up move he'll learn will do much for him except draw out the battle even longer.)))

Maybe it's just the way Ichigo's improvements are executed that annoy me a bit. Again, not sure how to explain it, but the way his power works just seems...forced and unscripted. I'm still wrapping my head around how in the hell he's still alive after Ulquiorra blasted that Cero through his chest. He got shot, went Hollow, got his Hollowness cut down, and then...survived. Usually gaping chest wounds through the heart no less do more than just piss a person off.



(((And I was so effing glad when Isshin finally appeared! Took friggin long enough! I mean why mention it so long ago and then he never appear in his shinigami/captain form! I haven't seen anything about his background as a shinigami/captain so hopefully that will appear later?)))

That was another thing I heard, that he's getting more of a focus in the next arc. What I heard and what I see are two different things, most times.



((([Also, I am convinced because of Ichigo and Aizen, all huge powerups are required by Kubo law to come with a mullet.]

bwahaha! Yeah what was with that hair style? Kubo did say he thought of Bleach as a rock story so I'm guessing he's a fan of 70's rock?!?)))

Ever watched the Burimyu musicals? If you haven't, I know they're subbed on YouTube, most of them anyway. Fun times.



(((Also, if Kubo gets over his fear of killing the good guys and starts with Zaraki, I'll drop Bleach. For real. I'd go to it after it ends to see how it ends, but I'd be so furious. [Like being annoyed at the hero, I know this is a pretty juvenile reason to stop reading, but the thought of Zaraki kicking ass is what keeps me reading. I love Bleach, but it is so damn slow sometimes and Kubo has a weird way of pacing and planning, in that he has very little of both, it seems.]

I'd probably still read on. I think its actually too cliche these days to kill off a main good guy just to give a bit more drama to the series. Though is Yammamoto really dead? Nothing to indicate he didn't die but if he's not I'd say he'd take a while to recover from those injuries!)))

I have no idea what to think about Yamamoto. If that didn't kill him, he has to be hurting like hell for it.



(((On another note, I actually have to say I felt sorry for Starrk/Lilynette. They were a bit of an odd couple even if they originally were one Hollow, but they were pretty much used and abused by Aizen just because they were powerful and although Starrk was lazy, he wasn't really interested in fighting he just didn't want to be alone. awwww... As for the other Espada (with the exception of Grimmmjow and Ulquiorra) I didn't think that much of them so was kind of glad when they were killed off - though at least Nnoitra was able to give Zaraki a bit of fun during their fight )))

Agreed about Starrk/Lilynette. I wish that the Espada were better handled. They were touted to be these powerhouses that should have spelled doom for Soul Society (not as much as a Vasto Lorde, another area that's in the grey) and they all got killed off in ways ranging from pretty satisfying (good deaths and "about goddamn time" deaths *coughSYAZELcough*) to just pathetic. Harribel's death = WTF!? I felt she deserved a better death than that! It's part of the reason why I think Kubo has a weird way of working things. That felt like an "oh, we need to get somewhere, so let's just get rid of this one and move on" thing. Another point to the "Aizen is an ASSHAT" belief.

Speaking of deaths, how is Hiyori still alive? Really, that doesn't seem like a survivable injury.

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(((I'm also tired of Ichigo and all the, to use the phrase my friends and I use, asspull powerups he gets. I was hoping that Isshin would be the one to serious take Aizen out because Isshin is badass. Now he's wasting all his power to let Ichigo get his ass kicked by Hichigo and young!Zangetsu. ...Yeah, I know it's pointless to be annoyed at the main hero. I've never liked the main heroes, lol.

I guess I'm going to disagree with you here. I don't really look at the power-up part of Ichigo that he goes through on a regular basis, rather I look more at his development as a character. Its the same with Naruto, most people aren't all that fond of the character but his development over the course of the manga is something that I liked to see. Its more about how he affects those around him and vice versa. He learns quickly but still has a strong focus. In his upcoming battle with Aizen, however, unless he brings out something that will take Aizen by surprise I doubt any big power-up move he'll learn will do much for him except draw out the battle even longer.)))

Maybe it's just the way Ichigo's improvements are executed that annoy me a bit. Again, not sure how to explain it, but the way his power works just seems...forced and unscripted. I'm still wrapping my head around how in the hell he's still alive after Ulquiorra blasted that Cero through his chest. He got shot, went Hollow, got his Hollowness cut down, and then...survived. Usually gaping chest wounds through the heart no less do more than just piss a person off.

I guess its a bit over the top when he just seems to exceed every previous power he has but then he needs to if he is going to seriously get rid of Aizen. Yeah I agree about the Cero through the chest part, but remember Ulquiorra did shove his hand into Ichigo's chest before and created a hole, perhaps not as big as the Cero blast did but it would still seriously hurt like hell!

(((Also, if Kubo gets over his fear of killing the good guys and starts with Zaraki, I'll drop Bleach. For real. I'd go to it after it ends to see how it ends, but I'd be so furious. [Like being annoyed at the hero, I know this is a pretty juvenile reason to stop reading, but the thought of Zaraki kicking ass is what keeps me reading. I love Bleach, but it is so damn slow sometimes and Kubo has a weird way of pacing and planning, in that he has very little of both, it seems.]

I'd probably still read on. I think its actually too cliche these days to kill off a main good guy just to give a bit more drama to the series. Though is Yammamoto really dead? Nothing to indicate he didn't die but if he's not I'd say he'd take a while to recover from those injuries!)))

I have no idea what to think about Yamamoto. If that didn't kill him, he has to be hurting like hell for it.

He seriously did kick ass though for an old geezer. I know he's gone all full out before but this was beyond what I thought he was capable of lol. I was quite surprised...

(((On another note, I actually have to say I felt sorry for Starrk/Lilynette. They were a bit of an odd couple even if they originally were one Hollow, but they were pretty much used and abused by Aizen just because they were powerful and although Starrk was lazy, he wasn't really interested in fighting he just didn't want to be alone. awwww... As for the other Espada (with the exception of Grimmmjow and Ulquiorra) I didn't think that much of them so was kind of glad when they were killed off - though at least Nnoitra was able to give Zaraki a bit of fun during their fight )))

Agreed about Starrk/Lilynette. I wish that the Espada were better handled. They were touted to be these powerhouses that should have spelled doom for Soul Society (not as much as a Vasto Lorde, another area that's in the grey) and they all got killed off in ways ranging from pretty satisfying (good deaths and "about goddamn time" deaths *coughSYAZELcough*) to just pathetic. Harribel's death = WTF!? I felt she deserved a better death than that! It's part of the reason why I think Kubo has a weird way of working things. That felt like an "oh, we need to get somewhere, so let's just get rid of this one and move on" thing. Another point to the "Aizen is an ASSHAT" belief.

I think that the whole Arrancar/Espada part would have been better being drawn out and focused on more rather than the drivel we have to put up with with Aizen. I'd rather see long drawn out battles between Captains, Lieutenants the 'hero' group and the Arrancar/Espada than have this long winded approach to destroying Aizen. Kubo did draw it out but the last three just suddenly ended too quickly. You're right it did feel like he decided that he didn't want to draw out their battles like the others and opted for a quick end. It also felt like the fight between Tosen, Hisagi and Komamura seemed rather short too.

Speaking of deaths, how is Hiyori still alive? Really, that doesn't seem like a survivable injury.

Well this brings up another subject which is probably me taking things too seriously lol. I suspect Kubo has been subjected to these questions before but what completely confuzzled me was when Aizen dramatically says to Hirako "You all died 100 years ago" I started thinking... "But aren't they all already dead anyway? How can you say something like that when they're clearly standing before you as spirits? Even if they are Vizard (Visored?) they're still technically spirits right?" It then pushed me to think okay if you're a regular human and you die, before your Chain of Fate can convert you into a Hollow, a Shinigami performs a Soul Burial and your soul moves from the human world to Soul Society or the world surrounding Soul Society right? If you're a Hollow then the Shinigami can cleanse your spirit and you move to Soul Society or if you were a bad boy/girl in the human world, then your soul is sent to Hell for punishment. So what happens if you die in Soul Society? Does it then move to the Kingdom realm above or is that just for the King and Court 0 only? Maybe it has been explained before and maybe Kubo has answered the question before but is he interjecting that the spirits within the Soul Society Realm become nothing when they die?

See, told you I take it too seriously lol.

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It also felt like the fight between Tosen, Hisagi and Komamura seemed rather short too.

The whole thing with Tousen was all around weird. He's another one I had no patience for, being the mouthy hypocrite that he was, but if I have to admit one thing, his flashback (another Kubo staple showing that death is soon coming) made me feel a little sympathy towards him and I was really feeling for Komamura and Hisagi when he freaking exploded in their faces. Still trying to figure that one out. Did Aizen have him on a dead man's switch or something?  

I still want to see more about how a Shinigami can get a hold of an Arrancar's Resurrecion. There's gotta be a lot of hoodoo voodoo going on there.

Well this brings up another subject which is probably me taking things too seriously lol. I suspect Kubo has been subjected to these questions before but what completely confuzzled me was when Aizen dramatically says to Hirako "You all died 100 years ago" I started thinking... "But aren't they all already dead anyway? How can you say something like that when they're clearly standing before you as spirits? Even if they are Vizard (Visored?) they're still technically spirits right?" It then pushed me to think okay if you're a regular human and you die, before your Chain of Fate can convert you into a Hollow, a Shinigami performs a Soul Burial and your soul moves from the human world to Soul Society or the world surrounding Soul Society right? If you're a Hollow then the Shinigami can cleanse your spirit and you move to Soul Society or if you were a bad boy/girl in the human world, then your soul is sent to Hell for punishment. So what happens if you die in Soul Society? Does it then move to the Kingdom realm above or is that just for the King and Court 0 only? Maybe it has been explained before and maybe Kubo has answered the question before but is he interjecting that the spirits within the Soul Society Realm become nothing when they die?

This one gets me too and you're not the only one wondering about it. Let me see if I can explain my thoughts on it and have them actually answer the questions instead of just me rambling, lol.

I took the "You died 100 years ago" comment as Aizen being a smartass. What he did to them pretty much made them dead men/women walking, considering it's Soul Society law (I think, not 100% sure if there's a written rule or not) that becoming half-Hollow is punishable by death. Again, I'm not sure that is actually the case, but that's what I thought about it. If it is an actual rule, how did they come to create it? Did someone try it before and tore up hell by the roots? Maybe I think too much into things, but I'm of the opinion that, if there's a rule prohibiting something, someone's tried it before and it didn't end well.

Either way, Aizen destroyed everything they had and made them flee into the Real World, so I felt his comment was metaphorical, not so much literal.

We need to make a list of Bleach grey areas and add death in Soul Society to the list. I know that if a Shinigami dies, their soul goes into the reincarnation cycle and ends up in the Real World. The whole 'Ichigo looks a hell of a lot like Shiba Kaien' sort of touches on this, but since I can't say I've ever seen a sort of time line pinpointing the exact dates of stuff like that, I don't know what to say about that.

The King's Realm and the Zero Squad go on that list too. From my understanding, it's a separate dimension where the King oversees stuff but does jack to regulate Soul Society. It's the whole reason why Aizen's trying to get the Ouken, so he can get in there and kill the King and become "god" or whatever. (I'm not assuming you didn't know that. Just had to put it out there to connect my points. ) It doesn't seem like a higher level or heaven for Soul Society, just another area that no one can get into without either having the key or slaughtering 100,000 people in a small area to create a new one.

Personal curiosity. Aizen wants the key, that's obvious. Where the hell is the door?

Hopefully, this helps a little.

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The whole thing with Tousen was all around weird. He's another one I had no patience for, being the mouthy hypocrite that he was, but if I have to admit one thing, his flashback (another Kubo staple showing that death is soon coming) made me feel a little sympathy towards him and I was really feeling for Komamura and Hisagi when he freaking exploded in their faces. Still trying to figure that one out. Did Aizen have him on a dead man's switch or something? 

I still want to see more about how a Shinigami can get a hold of an Arrancar's Resurrecion. There's gotta be a lot of hoodoo voodoo going on there.

Tousen was very much a hypocrite. And he also comes across as being almost as full of himself as Aizen. It didn't feel like Kubo completely explained his true reasons for why he chose to become part of Aizen's team other than a 'friend' was killed and he only became a Shinigami to seek revenge for that friend. His death was weird though and yeah how did that happen? I think Aizen probably knew that he was weak anyway. Weak in Aizen's eyes that is.

I took the "You died 100 years ago" comment as Aizen being a smartass. What he did to them pretty much made them dead men/women walking, considering it's Soul Society law (I think, not 100% sure if there's a written rule or not) that becoming half-Hollow is punishable by death. Again, I'm not sure that is actually the case, but that's what I thought about it. If it is an actual rule, how did they come to create it? Did someone try it before and tore up hell by the roots? Maybe I think too much into things, but I'm of the opinion that, if there's a rule prohibiting something, someone's tried it before and it didn't end well.

Either way, Aizen destroyed everything they had and made them flee into the Real World, so I felt his comment was metaphorical, not so much literal.

Oh I knew that what he was doing was trying to freak them out with his comment, but it just felt like he was passing a rather stupid comment for someone who is supposedly a genius. I know he likes to make snide remarks to make everyone feel like morons but the comment seemed rather anti-climactic for its supposed dramatic moment. I mean Hirako and the rest should have already been of the understanding of the results of their hollowfication due to what happened to Urahara, unless it was never explained to them by Urahara before they separated themselves from everyone else. So they shouldn't have been in shock by his comment at all if it was referring to a possible law against hollowfication.

Perhaps way back in the past an incident happened where a Shinigami became a hollow, maybe even similar to how Ichigo did. Fearing that all Shinigami would do it and it would breach the set boundaries between Holows and Shinigami, the lawmaker mob (I've forgotten what they were called -  42 something or other lol) probably then created the law so that it wouldn't happen again. It may be that Aizen found this in some historical documents or something and decided to put it to his own use.

It would be nice if Kubo could explain it a bit more, even if its not actually in the manga. I think he needs to create a Bleach Bible or something so he can go into more detail lol.

We need to make a list of Bleach grey areas and add death in Soul Society to the list. I know that if a Shinigami dies, their soul goes into the reincarnation cycle and ends up in the Real World. The whole 'Ichigo looks a hell of a lot like Shiba Kaien' sort of touches on this, but since I can't say I've ever seen a sort of time line pinpointing the exact dates of stuff like that, I don't know what to say about that.

Hisagi has some similarities to Kaien and Ichigo too though he's got smaller eyes. I felt that he looked like them anyway lol. This is where we need the Bleach Bible to come in, so we can have timelines with birthdates, deaths, battles, changes in leadership in Soul Society etc etc

The King's Realm and the Zero Squad go on that list too. From my understanding, it's a separate dimension where the King oversees stuff but does jack to regulate Soul Society. It's the whole reason why Aizen's trying to get the Ouken, so he can get in there and kill the King and become "god" or whatever. (I'm not assuming you didn't know that. Just had to put it out there to connect my points. ) It doesn't seem like a higher level or heaven for Soul Society, just another area that no one can get into without either having the key or slaughtering 100,000 people in a small area to create a new one.

I really really really want to learn more about the King's Realm and Zero Court. When it was mentioned in the flash back arc, I was really curious about who was part of that squad and how they managed to advance to it. I would have thought that people like Unohana, Ukitake and Kyoraku would have moved to Zero Court by now considering they have been around a lot longer than most of the other captains (except for Yamamoto though) and based on their experience. It didn't seem to go into a lot of detail on how that one particular Captain had managed to become recruited to Zero Court. I'm hoping that in the future we'll get an Arc focusing on Zero Court and the Kingdom Realm. Presumably Kubo may go into it as part of this whole Aizen crap that we have to put up with.

yeah I knew he wanted to become God and rule over everything. I hate characters like that. I'm kind of hoping that the information Aizen had about creating the key was just a farce and that before he does it, the Shinigami from Zero Court appear and go "Fooled ya!" and then beat the crap out of him lol

Personal curiosity. Aizen wants the key, that's obvious. Where the hell is the door?

I suppose it could be like those gates. Once you have possession of the key you can summon a gate and use the key to change the course of the path so it takes you to the Kingdom instead of Soul Society???

Mayo doesn't think too clearly in the mornings so I could be all over the place with my responses lol 

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Here's one of the main problems I have with Aizen's whole 'get into the King's Realm, kill the king, and become god' plan. Let's assume he gets there through whatever means he figures out. What the hell is he going to do once he's there? Right now, it's just him and Gin and yeah, he's got this weird power that's dropping bitches like flies, but does he seriously think he can stand a chance against an elite squad -and- the King? When he had the Espada, I would have been more inclined to believe it - an army vs. an army, that makes sense. Now it's just two against an untold number. It doesn't add up.

And yeah, the last chapter was awesome. Not the best since we got nowhere new pretty much, but at least someone is thinking. Molotov cocktails ftw!

Yeah, I'm not liking what's going on with the whole scanalation crackdown thing. I understand why it's happening, but seriously, they need to do what Crunchyroll did and legally release the chapters as they're available in Japan. I'd gladly pay for a subscription. I'm not one of the ones who read Bleach just on the internet either; I'm completely caught up with the volumes released over here. I like having the actual books in my collection.

The problem I have is VIZ is so. freaking. SLOW when it comes to releasing the new books. We're only at 31 so far and Japan is at 46 come August. Hell, I found some of the Japanese volumes cheap on the internet and got those just to have something I can hold in my hand (and to compare the covers of volume 34 when it finally comes out over here, lol censors). That, and I really hate VIZ's translations sometimes. Again, I know why they do it since the cultures are different, but it irritates me like all get out.

At least Mangastream is still in the picture. For now I can get my scans and keep up with the story.

Lol, Kon.

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Here's one of the main problems I have with Aizen's whole 'get into the King's Realm, kill the king, and become god' plan. Let's assume he gets there through whatever means he figures out. What the hell is he going to do once he's there? Right now, it's just him and Gin and yeah, he's got this weird power that's dropping bitches like flies, but does he seriously think he can stand a chance against an elite squad -and- the King? When he had the Espada, I would have been more inclined to believe it - an army vs. an army, that makes sense. Now it's just two against an untold number. It doesn't add up.

I didn't even think of that! Aizen is supposedly a genius but is he that deluded with his power that he believes it will stop Court Zero and the King?? I suppose in being Aizen, he's got something up his sleeve. Perhaps when he said to Ichigo "I'll devour you later" he really meant that he'd devour him and gain all of Ichigo's power-ups to make him an uber-god?? Meh, I'm hoping they'll make an appearance before he even gets the key. (Zero Squad that is)

Yeah, I'm not liking what's going on with the whole scanalation crackdown thing. I understand why it's happening, but seriously, they need to do what Crunchyroll did and legally release the chapters as they're available in Japan. I'd gladly pay for a subscription. I'm not one of the ones who read Bleach just on the internet either; I'm completely caught up with the volumes released over here. I like having the actual books in my collection.

I'm slack at buying Manga, but I do go out and buy it when I can spare some money. Its the same with anime, I do go and buy the DVDs eventually, though I've learned now to just wait for a box set to come out before buying lol.

In regards to doing something like Crunchyroll for Manga, that may work. I guess it would work better for you since you have far better broadband connections than we do here in Australia (hence the issue with me always having lag when we played QOL on any server but one located here) so it'll be good for you guys. I can understand that they want to crack down on scanlation, companies assume that we won't buy so its not good business for them. If they weren't so slack then it wouldn't be a problem.

The problem I have is VIZ is so. freaking. SLOW when it comes to releasing the new books. We're only at 31 so far and Japan is at 46 come August. Hell, I found some of the Japanese volumes cheap on the internet and got those just to have something I can hold in my hand (and to compare the covers of volume 34 when it finally comes out over here, lol censors). That, and I really hate VIZ's translations sometimes. Again, I know why they do it since the cultures are different, but it irritates me like all get out.

And ultimately we get them after you. There is another company that does release manga called Chun Yi publishing. They release a lot of stuff that is also released by Viz and TokyoPop but it comes out cheaper. The translation appears to be no different from the other companies and yay for being cheap! Unfortunately they don't have the licenses for Bleach and Naruto which would make them real competitors against Viz. Some of these companies just try to have a monopoly over others. I also find it pretentious that a company would push their own morals onto readers by changing the translation to suit something they believe is in the best interest of the bulk of their customers. What would they know? And do they care? No of course not, just so long as they make money they couldn't care less if they ruin the storyline by changing the translation and thus affecting the intent that the mangaka was trying to convey. Sorry, venting my own anger at corporations who ruin everything just to make a buck.

At least Mangastream is still in the picture. For now I can get my scans and keep up with the story.

Are they up to date? I looked at the link to the site that Ava posted in the Manga thread but they seem to be behind with updating more popular manga. I've looked at Mangafox and they seem up to date. Have you tried them?

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Here's one of the main problems I have with Aizen's whole 'get into the King's Realm, kill the king, and become god' plan. Let's assume he gets there through whatever means he figures out. What the hell is he going to do once he's there? Right now, it's just him and Gin and yeah, he's got this weird power that's dropping bitches like flies, but does he seriously think he can stand a chance against an elite squad -and- the King? When he had the Espada, I would have been more inclined to believe it - an army vs. an army, that makes sense. Now it's just two against an untold number. It doesn't add up.

I didn't even think of that! Aizen is supposedly a genius but is he that deluded with his power that he believes it will stop Court Zero and the King?? I suppose in being Aizen, he's got something up his sleeve. Perhaps when he said to Ichigo "I'll devour you later" he really meant that he'd devour him and gain all of Ichigo's power-ups to make him an uber-god?? Meh, I'm hoping they'll make an appearance before he even gets the key. (Zero Squad that is)

If he has something up his sleeve, it better be freaking huge if I'm going to believe he has a shot at winning this, fair or unfair. Hell, if he cracks out an army of Vasto Lordes, I'd be pressed to wonder how he got them, but I'd believe he had a chance in a fight.

As for the "I'll be back to devour you later,"  maybe I've been hanging around my friends the internet way too long, but that sounded so totally wrong and I wonder if the translators wrote it like that on purpose.

Yeah, I'm not liking what's going on with the whole scanalation crackdown thing. I understand why it's happening, but seriously, they need to do what Crunchyroll did and legally release the chapters as they're available in Japan. I'd gladly pay for a subscription. I'm not one of the ones who read Bleach just on the internet either; I'm completely caught up with the volumes released over here. I like having the actual books in my collection.

I'm slack at buying Manga, but I do go out and buy it when I can spare some money. Its the same with anime, I do go and buy the DVDs eventually, though I've learned now to just wait for a box set to come out before buying lol.

In regards to doing something like Crunchyroll for Manga, that may work. I guess it would work better for you since you have far better broadband connections than we do here in Australia (hence the issue with me always having lag when we played QOL on any server but one located here) so it'll be good for you guys. I can understand that they want to crack down on scanlation, companies assume that we won't buy so its not good business for them. If they weren't so slack then it wouldn't be a problem.

Ew, yeah, I can see how that would be a problem for getting scans. I agree with the number of comments I've read on this, that the companies are shooting themselves in their feet assuming people read the manga online and never actually buy it. I would never have gotten into Bleach this much if I didn't read it online. The dub of it playing on Adult Swim didn't make me interested at all, and here's a true story, it was the Zaraki vs. Ichigo fight I watched and turned off. I have a weird thing about voices making or breaking things. >_>

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The problem I have is VIZ is so. freaking. SLOW when it comes to releasing the new books. We're only at 31 so far and Japan is at 46 come August. Hell, I found some of the Japanese volumes cheap on the internet and got those just to have something I can hold in my hand (and to compare the covers of volume 34 when it finally comes out over here, lol censors). That, and I really hate VIZ's translations sometimes. Again, I know why they do it since the cultures are different, but it irritates me like all get out.

And ultimately we get them after you. There is another company that does release manga called Chun Yi publishing. They release a lot of stuff that is also released by Viz and TokyoPop but it comes out cheaper. The translation appears to be no different from the other companies and yay for being cheap! Unfortunately they don't have the licenses for Bleach and Naruto which would make them real competitors against Viz. Some of these companies just try to have a monopoly over others. I also find it pretentious that a company would push their own morals onto readers by changing the translation to suit something they believe is in the best interest of the bulk of their customers. What would they know? And do they care? No of course not, just so long as they make money they couldn't care less if they ruin the storyline by changing the translation and thus affecting the intent that the mangaka was trying to convey. Sorry, venting my own anger at corporations who ruin everything just to make a buck.

Hey, I'm of the philosophy that ranting is cathartic and not only good for the soul, but good for the well being of everyone else too. I either rant or consider making shots off a clock tower, soon as I find one.  

People with money do whatever the hell they feel like because there's really not a lot that can be done about it. And yeah, I agree that people who change stuff have no freaking clue as to what they're doing, except that it works for them and who else but they matter in the grand scheme of things? Jerks.

At least Mangastream is still in the picture. For now I can get my scans and keep up with the story.

Are they up to date? I looked at the link to the site that Ava posted in the Manga thread but they seem to be behind with updating more popular manga. I've looked at Mangafox and they seem up to date. Have you tried them?

Yeah, Mangastream is at 413, so I believe that's up to date. If it's not, every source I check lies to me. I haven't used Mangafox, but for no real reason than I found Mangastream first. MS keeps up with the big titles (Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, D-Gray.Man [another one I followed until it seriously jumped into a pit of insanity so deep I couldn't see the bottom]) and they usually update Wednesday/Thursday my time.

Bah, I keep trying to keep the quotes separate and end up with a headache each time. You know what you wrote.

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I didn't even think of that! Aizen is supposedly a genius but is he that deluded with his power that he believes it will stop Court Zero and the King?? I suppose in being Aizen, he's got something up his sleeve. Perhaps when he said to Ichigo "I'll devour you later" he really meant that he'd devour him and gain all of Ichigo's power-ups to make him an uber-god?? Meh, I'm hoping they'll make an appearance before he even gets the key. (Zero Squad that is)

If he has something up his sleeve, it better be freaking huge if I'm going to believe he has a shot at winning this, fair or unfair. Hell, if he cracks out an army of Vasto Lordes, I'd be pressed to wonder how he got them, but I'd believe he had a chance in a fight.

Yeah but he's always pulling something out of his ass so it wouldn't surprise me if its some freaking huge army that he has the ability to manipulate and make appear whenever he wants. I think Kubo even believes he's invincible... >_>

As for the "I'll be back to devour you later,"  maybe I've been hanging around my friends the internet way too long, but that sounded so totally wrong and I wonder if the translators wrote it like that on purpose.

Heh, that was the first thing that popped into my head the moment I read it lol  But I knew Kubo wouldn't mean that... you know... (I can hear all the fangirls going squee over the possibilities though  )

I'm slack at buying Manga, but I do go out and buy it when I can spare some money. Its the same with anime, I do go and buy the DVDs eventually, though I've learned now to just wait for a box set to come out before buying lol.

In regards to doing something like Crunchyroll for Manga, that may work. I guess it would work better for you since you have far better broadband connections than we do here in Australia (hence the issue with me always having lag when we played QOL on any server but one located here) so it'll be good for you guys. I can understand that they want to crack down on scanlation, companies assume that we won't buy so its not good business for them. If they weren't so slack then it wouldn't be a problem.

Ew, yeah, I can see how that would be a problem for getting scans. I agree with the number of comments I've read on this, that the companies are shooting themselves in their feet assuming people read the manga online and never actually buy it. I would never have gotten into Bleach this much if I didn't read it online. The dub of it playing on Adult Swim didn't make me interested at all, and here's a true story, it was the Zaraki vs. Ichigo fight I watched and turned off. I have a weird thing about voices making or breaking things. >_>

I started out liking anime through Gundam Wing when it first aired here in Cartoon Network, but realised shortly after that the world of anime was a lot bigger when watching it un-touched by American companies. In fact in some cases I'm almost embarrassed by them especially when you're watching adverts of anime series coming to DVD and hear these really cheesy voices. It turns you off pretty quickly. Bleach I started watching from the start, but only the subbed version and was hooked straight away. I have never seen the US version of it and I don't intend to watch it. I have some of the DVDs but I intentionally watch the subbed version than the dubbed one. I refuse to watch them on Cartoon Network or any other channel. I'm sure not all of them are horrible but I'm so used to watching subbed that its more a preference.

Reading manga kind of came hand-in-hand with it after I started watching anime. I was more buying it than reading it online - took me a few tries at finding the right online manga sites that kept up to date with everything.

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Heh heh me too! I tried to watch a dubbed anime DVD that I had to see how much they ruined it, and nearly cried and ranted and came close to throwing something at the TV lol. It was horrible just how much damage they had done to the feel of the series

And ultimately we get them after you. There is another company that does release manga called Chun Yi publishing. They release a lot of stuff that is also released by Viz and TokyoPop but it comes out cheaper. The translation appears to be no different from the other companies and yay for being cheap! Unfortunately they don't have the licenses for Bleach and Naruto which would make them real competitors against Viz. Some of these companies just try to have a monopoly over others. I also find it pretentious that a company would push their own morals onto readers by changing the translation to suit something they believe is in the best interest of the bulk of their customers. What would they know? And do they care? No of course not, just so long as they make money they couldn't care less if they ruin the storyline by changing the translation and thus affecting the intent that the mangaka was trying to convey. Sorry, venting my own anger at corporations who ruin everything just to make a buck.

Hey, I'm of the philosophy that ranting is cathartic and not only good for the soul, but good for the well being of everyone else too. I either rant or consider making shots off a clock tower, soon as I find one. 

People with money do whatever the hell they feel like because there's really not a lot that can be done about it. And yeah, I agree that people who change stuff have no freaking clue as to what they're doing, except that it works for them and who else but they matter in the grand scheme of things? Jerks.

Its not so much that, its just they have no real understanding of the job they're in. In dealing with people in the past in the industry, they are ruled by whatever producers/large production companies want and not what they can give fans. A lot of the writers who try to give the fans what they want (and are often fans themselves) are usually told by the distribution/production companies to re-write it because its too graphic or its too close to something thats currently happening in news events, or its too much like another series that they're releasing or some such crap. They also deliberately tell a lot of them to 'kiddify' stuff because after all, to them comics and anime are for kids right? If they had production companies that actually knew their stuff we wouldn't be in this predicament in the first place. That and censors are stupid too (just take a look at Australia's censorship laws around video games!!  )

Are they up to date? I looked at the link to the site that Ava posted in the Manga thread but they seem to be behind with updating more popular manga. I've looked at Mangafox and they seem up to date. Have you tried them?

Yeah, Mangastream is at 413, so I believe that's up to date. If it's not, every source I check lies to me. I haven't used Mangafox, but for no real reason than I found Mangastream first. MS keeps up with the big titles (Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, D-Gray.Man [another one I followed until it seriously jumped into a pit of insanity so deep I couldn't see the bottom]) and they usually update Wednesday/Thursday my time.

Thanks I'll check them out too. I started reading D-Gray. Man (after already watching the anime) but haven't gotten very far lol

Bah, I keep trying to keep the quotes separate and end up with a headache each time. You know what you wrote.

lol, I just did the same thing 

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Inside the spoiler is an actual spoiler for you, May, or at least it is if you don't go hunting for them like me, lol. Wait until after you read chapter 414 to click it if you don't want to know.

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GIN BETRAYS AIZEN. He lied about what Shinso can do; it emits a poison when it extends and since he stabbed Aizen in the back with it, the sword left poison in him.

I don't know if this will actually stick but, HELLS YEAH, I'm liking this. Apparently the "Deicide" title and "God Killing Spear" aren't just teasers that go nowhere.

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Inside the spoiler is an actual spoiler for you, May, or at least it is if you don't go hunting for them like me, lol. Wait until after you read chapter 414 to click it if you don't want to know.

lol yeah I do go hunting for spoilers sometimes

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GIN BETRAYS AIZEN. He lied about what Shinso can do; it emits a poison when it extends and since he stabbed Aizen in the back with it, the sword left poison in him.

  AWESOME!!!!! You know we were just talking about how Gin is a better villain than Aizen. This just kind of proves it lol

I don't know if this will actually stick but, HELLS YEAH, I'm liking this. Apparently the "Deicide" title and "God Killing Spear" aren't just teasers that go nowhere.

I wondered the same thing, like why do they keep calling all the chapaters "Deicide" when he's finished his fight with Ichigo?? Now we know!

Gin always appeared to be his own person ie not really a follower. Which was why originally it surprised me he did join up with Aizen. He just always appeared to be someone who would usurp Soul Society by himself, but now I can see why he did follow Aizen... get him to do all the hard work and leave the dregs for Gin to easily wipe away. 

Of course, will this mean that Aizen will bring out the big guns early to counter his betrayal? I still think he must have something else hidden. Maybe he even hid something from Gin - he did say don't trust anyone, even him. Obviously he didn't take his own advice when it came to Gin lol

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Sometimes I have to wonder if I have a touch of clairvoyance or something. First we talk about how Gin would be the better villain and then he goes and stabs Aizen. Then we said how Hell would be an interesting place to explore and boom, information about the 4th movie says there will be a revolt in Hell that will spill out into Karakura Town. So far, the only confirmed characters in the movie are Ichigo and co., perhaps Byakuya and I think Toshiro. Then again, I also heard that it might be the Karakura crew either primarily or only, but I really can't see that, considering, you know, it's freaking Hell.

Hmm, wonder if I can make this clairvoyance actually work when I want it to... I see a return to Hueco Mundo in the next week or so!